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Monday, 8 July 2002
Mini-Cringe

Last week I was exposed to two cringeworthy comments, both made by men to women, one of whom happened to be me.

The first, flung in my direction, came courtesy of a white-haired man, probably about 60, fit, well-dressed, and unruffled despite the clinging heat. I made the mistake of catching his eye, and he took it as an invitation to say to me, "Excuse me, ma'am. Are you a registered Republican?"

I don't know which one of those two sentences offended me more. I don't know if I was more put off that he called me ma'am, especially considering he had at least 20 years on me, or that he thought I would be a Republican.

"No!!!" I barked ever so lady-like, through a democratic half-smile, and rushed down the sidewalk.

The second instance occurred not ten minutes later, while I was at CVS, in line behind a woman who probably could have been the white-haired guy's mother. As she handed the young (I'd say he wasn't yet 30) cashier her money, he said something like "thank you", which was all right, of course ... but then he tacked on "young lady", which was not.

Knock it off with the shallow old-fashioned pseudo-pleasantries. Don't call me "ma'am", no matter what age I am or how old or young you are. Save the "young lady" crap for little girls who can't wait to grow up. If you really want to be nice and show respect, just speak to me kindly without the frilly affectation.

(And never call me a Republican.)

Thank you, sir.

fresh-baked at 11:20 PM
Comments

I'm in my mid-thirties! And yes, BooBoo, people do live that long, and know how to use computers!

Offered by: Max on July 10, 2002 3:35 AM

Most of you people are in your 40ies? WOW

Offered by: BooBoo on July 9, 2002 7:56 PM

I grew up Southern and was in the military, so the "ma'am/sir" thing is ingrained. I think if you're going to address someone you don't know, you should use a respectful term of address -- unless of course they're acting like a dick, in which case you just smack them.

Offered by: Eyre ni Rhuth on July 9, 2002 10:34 AM

The ma'am thing bothers me, too, but at least it's meant to be respectful. Calling an old woman "young lady" is, in my opinion, condescending. If the genders in that situation were reversed, how many women would feel the need to call the old man "young man"?

Offered by: Kim on July 9, 2002 10:02 AM

Thanks, Aaron, for my first full-on guffaw of the day.

Earlier this morning I was actually thinking about "lady" (and, yes, believe it or not, in my head I heard it said a la Jerry Lewis) and how much I really do love when I'm addressed as such.

Offered by: Jodi on July 9, 2002 9:27 AM

Amazing! Just last night, I got a phone call from a telephone survey. I love to take these, so I was disappointed when the qualifying question was "Are you a registered Republican?" and I answered "Do I SOUND like an asshole?!"

They hung up.

(The last time I took one of these, it was about reproductive rights, and when they asked "Do you think abortion should be legal or illegal?" I answered "I think it should be mandatory." I have been waiting for a second try at this survey so that I can steal Don's response, and add "...and retroactive.")

And regarding the Miss/Ma'am/Madam thing, I think it would be easier if all members of the female gender were referred to as "Hey LADY" (a-la Jerry Lewis) seeing as how each and every single one of them seems to have a different preference as to how they wish to be addressed, which may or may not change day-to-day.

Offered by: aaron on July 9, 2002 9:20 AM

This has nothing to do with marital status, ethnicity, race, gender, age, or domicile.

Offered by: Jodi on July 9, 2002 8:55 AM

Be lucky that they only say "Ma'am" or "Sir"; In Japan, not only do you have to recognize everyone's position in society and the workplace related to your own position, but you have to use an entirely different vocabulary depending on said relationship; whether it be a superior, an equal or a subbordinate.

And there's nothing wrong with being a Republican or Democrat; I simply believe that;

1) I earned my money justly and deserve to keep as much of it as I can.

2) My government should defend the shores, keep the criminals out of society and maintain the roads I drive on. I'll raise my children, decide what I want to eat/drink, and choose my own recreation.

But then again, I'm a married ethnicity-void-white guy in his 30's from the midwest.

Offered by: Thomas on July 9, 2002 8:29 AM

Even though I'm on the cusp of 40, I still cringe when I'm called "sir." That's my father, not me.

I'm stunned that you're a Democrat in New York! *Gasp!*

Oh, wait, the state voted something like 4:1 Democrat last go'round.

Nevermind.

Offered by: Scott on July 9, 2002 7:58 AM

Mandatory name tags would solve everything.

Offered by: Dan the Goose on July 9, 2002 2:05 AM

I'm a southerner. I must be, I grew up in Bath, which is in the south of England!

This business of saying "yes Sir", to people who aren't customers of yours is something uniquely American. It's kinda cute.

I have a friend who's about 12 years older than me, from MN (not exactly a southerner!) who says, "Yes sir" to me from time to time.

As for this business of New Yorker women getting all uppity about being called Ma'am, get the fuck over it ladies. At least it's (intended as being) respectful. There are far ruder ways of being addressed.

I've not worked in shops since I was a student (no later than 1990). The normal way to address a female customer in Britain would be to call them Madam, unless they were obviously under 18, in which case they're addressed as Miss.

British customers are far too busy being overcharged and over-taxed (17.5% sales tax nationwide), to get upset about the exact form of addess, unless it's blatantly rude. We leave that sort of thing to our waiters!

Offered by: Max on July 9, 2002 1:43 AM

Having grown up with a father every bit as southern as one can get, I can back Shawn up on this one. Making it worse, still, was my dad's military background which, of course, instills in one the "yes ma'am, no ma'am" form of respect.

I think it's a charming manner that I'm sad to see all but gone today.

Offered by: Tess on July 9, 2002 12:56 AM

It's true. Every word of it. He is a recovering hick-a-holic.

Offered by: Kelly on July 9, 2002 12:49 AM

This brings back memories. I was raised in the South, specifically Georgia. Yes, I'm a recovering Hick-a-holic. Anyway, we (at least my generation) were raised to "yes, m'am--no m'am; yes, sir--no, sir" as readily as taking a breath of air. One interesting aspect is that in retail this manner of addressing people was an expected courtesy, regardless of age. My first job at the tender age of 16 was working in sales at Dillard's (kind of like Marshalls, etc.). At some point in my little career in retail sales a middle-aged, female, New Yorker came in to buy some shirts for her husband. As was natural, I proceeded to "m'am" her and she fffffreaked. Understand that by local standards by not saying "m'am" I may as well have said "Yo, beyatch. Whatcha need?" So, I was torn between that and "If you call me 'm'am' one more time, I'll have your job!"

Funny how you yankies work. ;)

Offered by: Shawn on July 9, 2002 12:42 AM